Curse

Andy_M · Mar 20, 2006, 12:02 AM // 00:02

I'd love to give monks a break......just name a limb and I'll get right on it.

Bleidd · Mar 20, 2006, 12:32 AM // 00:32

What, the week's gone by and its time for a new Monk complaint thread already?

I'm really not seeing where people are coming from with the attitude that since they selected Monk as their primary profession they're entitled to any sort of better treatment than anyone else. Common courtesy is one thing, and everyone warrants that. But beyond this, what is it you want?

Morever it isn't exactly like healing in this game is difficult. Its a game of whack-a-mole with your party health bars. Its also, contrary to popular belief, easily handled by a N/Mo, Me/Mo, and E/Mo. Or perhaps I just routinely perform miracles with my N/Mo and her single Heal Other spell at a whopping 10 attribute.

Seriously though, what is the problem? With most groups demanding at least two Monks (God knows why), it isn't exactly like its difficult to find work. In fact you're in a position to pick and choose. When that can be said for every other profession in the game (e.g. Mesmers and Elementalists), maybe I'll be more open to your complaints.

Until then it just comes off as whining. You do not warrant any more respect, appreciation, or adoration than anyone else does.

Str0b0 · Mar 20, 2006, 12:32 AM // 00:32

~hands all the poor little emo monks some razorblades and points to the nearest corner.~ Ok now you're all set for your pity party. Start cutting. Everyone get's sh*t at some point monks are no exception. How many times have you warrior players gotten cussed at for pulling too much aggro? Or how about the people that can barely even get into groups like mesmer primaries? Or the often disrespected ranger? What about the necro who gets sh*t for his minions pulling aggro on a run? Everyone gets it at some point. It's a fact of life. I'm sick of hearing monks whine like they are the only ones that ever have to put up with someone elses idiotic BS. The bottom line is no one person is ever responsible for a failure but that won't stop anyone from laying blame on everyone but themselves. It happens. I shudder to think of you people entering the work force. Let me tell you if you think you get blamed for dumb things now wait till your boss screws up and blames it on you. What are you going to do? Cry about it? Buck up! Grow thicker skin and get over yourselves. You can only play this oppressed people schtick for so long before it starts to wear on everyone elses nerves. I'm so sick of seeing goofy monk protests at least every two weeks in various and sundry outposts and mission towns. My advice? If you want to be all emo about it then dye your armor black and sit in the corners of town and talk about how everyone hates you and how life is pain but for god's sake stop complaining about it on forums. Stop staging goofy protests.

Mtank325 · Mar 20, 2006, 12:55 AM // 00:55

I think being a monk is awesome especially with how people react and revere monks. You have so much power. You're never at loss at finding a party, people always suck-up to you, and if people do complain or bitch to you there's a number of ways to respond. I recall one time a warrior was yelling at me because I wasn't doing a proper job or something like that and of course nobody else had a problem and when I questioned him if he had a monk he scorned at the idea. Heh, so I just let the poor sap die and nobody rez'd him despite his cap lock'd protests. Finally he left minutes before we completed the mission.

Yeah, we monks get bitched at, but meh, I think we got a lot of other subsequent powers from our often looked at esteem positions to make-up for the incessant, non-sensical complaints.

Str0b0 · Mar 20, 2006, 01:18 AM // 01:18

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Originally Posted by Mtank325

I think being a monk is awesome especially with how people react and revere monks. You have so much power. You're never at loss at finding a party, people always suck-up to you, and if people do complain or bitch to you there's a number of ways to respond. I recall one time a warrior was yelling at me because I wasn't doing a proper job or something like that and of course nobody else had a problem and when I questioned him if he had a monk he scorned at the idea. Heh, so I just let the poor sap die and nobody rez'd him despite his cap lock'd protests. Finally he left minutes before we completed the mission.

Yeah, we monks get bitched at, but meh, I think we got a lot of other subsequent powers from our often looked at esteem positions to make-up for the incessant, non-sensical complaints.

You just redeemed the entire monk class in my eyes. It's so nice to see someone buck up and just realize that it's going to happen. It's nothing personal usually and it's easy to just move on and let it go. thank you. Thank you for restoring my faith in humanity.

PtiteDiablesse · Mar 20, 2006, 02:35 AM // 02:35

I play a monk. It was my first character, and it remains my primary character (600-odd hours on it). I've learned a couple things.

Tanks, please don't run through all the enemies to attack a PVE backline or monks. Where do you think all those warriors you just bypassed are going to go?

All other classes are better tanks than monks. If a critter locks on to you, don't panic and try to fob it off. Because nine times out of ten, that critter is going to get fobbed off onto your monk. A monk can heal you. Unless you can heal the monk, please just tank whatever's on you until it can be dealt with, and let the monk worry about your healthbar. A monk's self heals are generally going to be far less effective than his heals that target other party members. A good heal monk is going to have about three skills that can target himself, but the best one is only going to be Healing Touch for maybe 150+ total health healed. By contrast, my Word or Heal Other is going to heal you for well over 250. Dwayna's can heal for well over 150 in quite a few situations. You do the math.

A monk's energy is finite. Even monks who are very good at energy management are going to start running into problems if too many people take too much damage at once, or if a fight drags on too long, or if sufficient time is not given for a monk to recharge.

A good heal monk is going to be healing, not rezzing people in the middle of a fight. Someone else other than a monk should rez dead people in the middle of a heated battle. Regardless, if you're dead, sit tight rather than letting us know you're dead. Trust me, we know, but keeping the others alive is a higher priority. Occasionally, I will use a hard rez in the middle of a pitched battle, but only when I know I can depend on my party members, and when I know I can manage my energy enough to replenish after a rebirth.

Monks, though our job is hard enough, try to recognize that the other guys have a difficult job as well. A good tank in front of you is sooo valuable. A good battery is soooo valuable. A good nuker who can manage his exhaustion, or drop a meteor shower on your head to knock down the critters attacking you is sooo valuable. When was the last time you thanked a non-monk on your team?

Monks... learn how to manage aggro. Where are you looking when the tank tries to draw aggro? At him? At his health bar? At the scenery? All wrong. You're looking at your radar. You're making sure that the tank has drawn aggro and you're making sure that he and the critters are all just outside your aggro bubble. As the warrior is charging in, you're going to want to keep him well outside your aggro bubble (the equivalent of at least a half another aggro bubble) until he draws aggro. Tanks... this is implying you know how to tank.

It's just a couple pointers, but it can make a mission so much easier, and make the monk's job a whole heck of a lot easier as well.

Ghalheon · Mar 20, 2006, 03:00 AM // 03:00

Monk should Heal an Rez but when a Monk need an elite in a mission people aren't here...
I just started the ring of fire to get Shield of Deflection, I join a group and ask if they can help me to get the skill, there was no problem from them before starting the mission so I stay with them.
We did the job killing everything until the last part with no problem, I did my job well healing and rez when possible.
there was just 1 leaver (because he felt insulted... someone wrote "assholes" for etins and he took this for him

)

So the group reach the last part and I ask to go to the right to get my elite, they just ignored me and they started to attack the last group on the left...
I don't follow them and I asked to stop because this is the end of the mission and I couldn't get the skill if they kill the boss.
They ignored me again and worse they asked me to heal them

I just left this group of selfish players, I don't like to do this but they don't own better treatment.

Jas D · Mar 20, 2006, 03:03 AM // 03:03

There are A LOT of monks who don't do their job properly. "GLF Last healing monk, 7/8" for example. When the mission starts, he puts about 5 bonds on himself and starts smiting. It's happened a lot, and those 55 monks going out on missions is sad. It gets annoying but not all monks are like that. Dwayna bless the intelligent ones.

Bio-Flame · Mar 20, 2006, 03:06 AM // 03:06

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You're looking at your radar. You're making sure that the tank has drawn aggro and you're making sure that he and the critters are all just outside your aggro bubble

Of course, you do realize that a LOT of people - Monks, Mesmers, Tanks, etc... - are thinking: " WTF is the agro circle/bubble??!"

Makes me want to cry...

PS- yes, most people do notice "the little grey circle in the mini-map" but they have no clue on WHAT does it do.

Jas D · Mar 20, 2006, 03:10 AM // 03:10

LOL That made me laugh Bio :P Thanks.

Str0b0 · Mar 20, 2006, 03:47 AM // 03:47

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Originally Posted by Zintinix Shoupthalus

Agreed, the way people treat monks is ridiculous...

I've still got some razorblades if you need one. Got some tissues and blankets too. I say again. Everyone gets the same amount of crap. Monks are just the only ones that complain about it more or less constantly. Don't like the way monks are treated? Stop playing your monk then. Then you don't have to put up with it. No one forced you to choose a monk primary. No one forced anyone to do that. I'm sick of hearing you people piss and moan about it when you guys have to beat invites off with a stick while I practically have to pimp myself to get in a group. Still you know what? I take that as it comes. I know rangers are pretty much optional in groups so if I have to work harder to get in so be it. You should just buck up and do the same. I swear if I hear one more monk complain about their horrible existence I'm going to track them down, fly to their house, rape their mother, violate their dog set their house on fire and drag them out in the street and stone them to death. Ok maybe not that but I certainly feel that would be justified.

Awesome Nuke · Mar 20, 2006, 05:15 AM // 05:15

I dont see why you're getting mad for something like that. Hey we never forced you to check this thread out. Just dont look it up when it'll be updated and your good to go. Fact is Monks dont get the same treatment as any class because its a primary support class and if they mess up, the mission might very well end. Which isnt the case for a nuker, for example.

studentochaos · Mar 20, 2006, 07:48 AM // 07:48

/signed to everything PtiteDiablesse said

All great points.

But don't forget, Pve is nothing but scrubs and noobs so it is pointless to even describe a good Pve monk. /Sarcasim

Ninjutsu Honor Code · Mar 20, 2006, 10:33 AM // 10:33

Basicly monks are too important, parties are always at half their strength without a monk on their side, so monks are a very respective class to play with. This is the reason why ive deleted my monk, if it doesnt heal or protect its not coming with us. Also leaving is such a deathstab to the team, the ranger leaves who cares, the mesmer leaves did we have a mesmer??, the warrior leaves oh well we still got the other one, the ele leaves no more aoe cheers, the necro leaves good riddance, the monk leaves team dies.

This is why i prefer hench monks over every other monk ive met (ive met some real cool monks too), they are to important henchies never leave so decision made :P

TimberOwl · Mar 20, 2006, 11:08 AM // 11:08

Bah, there are alot of decent players out there who give us monks our due credit and act maturely, its only the rest who cause problems, and to all monks who are effected by their feeble pathetic complaints and whines... Just ignore them! Hell you don't live with them, your most likely 100's of miles away, all you have to do is make sure they do their job, you do yours, the mission finishes, viola, you leave..

Ive built up a terribly thick skin against all that stuff, doesn't effect me now either or i just act like i can't speak english.. Its quite a laugh reading the chat sometimes, most times i type a random sentence in french or german or german just to wind them up

Look on the brighter side of things guys.. Its just a game..

Jakerius · Mar 20, 2006, 11:58 AM // 11:58

Wow... they should really change the subtext for this forum to "Come bitch, that's what everyone else does".

Sooooo many "<insert class> is poorly treated!" threads, that it's becoming somewhat of a common theme.

[FnG] Lazz · Mar 20, 2006, 01:27 PM // 13:27

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Originally Posted by Bleidd

What, the week's gone by and its time for a new Monk complaint thread already?

I'm really not seeing where people are coming from with the attitude that since they selected Monk as their primary profession they're entitled to any sort of better treatment than anyone else. Common courtesy is one thing, and everyone warrants that. But beyond this, what is it you want?

Morever it isn't exactly like healing in this game is difficult. Its a game of whack-a-mole with your party health bars. Its also, contrary to popular belief, easily handled by a N/Mo, Me/Mo, and E/Mo. Or perhaps I just routinely perform miracles with my N/Mo and her single Heal Other spell at a whopping 10 attribute.

Seriously though, what is the problem? With most groups demanding at least two Monks (God knows why), it isn't exactly like its difficult to find work. In fact you're in a position to pick and choose. When that can be said for every other profession in the game (e.g. Mesmers and Elementalists), maybe I'll be more open to your complaints.

Until then it just comes off as whining. You do not warrant any more respect, appreciation, or adoration than anyone else does.

Quoted for the truth IMO

I'm not agreeing that all monks are snobs, but some certainly are. With fame tends to come power and ego and lets face it, how many times have we all seen 'LF 1 healer monk 7/8'?. Monk's are 'in demand' and I have noticed some using their almost 'celebrity' status to their advantage.

Twice in about 3 days I have been kicked out of a group because a Monk has joined, and literally given out the names of who he/she wants kicked from the group in order for him/her to stay.

Silent Kitty · Mar 20, 2006, 01:34 PM // 13:34

As monk you can have 20 healing and 20 divine power, but when the party doesn't do any damage, you're kinda useless. You can't help them, and healing them doesn't exactly makes their day either. Without a good damage dealing party, a healer is bloody useless.

olth · Mar 20, 2006, 01:50 PM // 13:50

Yet another monk rant. First: as a monk i never had any problem in game, whether i am playing healer or protector.

Its not like posting rants every 2 weeks will change anything, in my opinion it just give other professions more reasons to hate monks.
You're getting harrassed, insulted? react like an adult instead of lowering yourself by leaving or stopping to heal.

And have a little thought for all the unloved mesmers, necros & rangers out there. They have reasons to cry, yet they dont do it as much as monks.

SnoopJeDi · Mar 20, 2006, 02:03 PM // 14:03

The best solution to all monk problems:

Form your own group.

I ran THK with random PuGs 4-5 times last night, all failures. I decided to just make up my own group and try to filter out the dumb jerks. I got smart people to join and kept losers out by just advertising that people must show me a piece of infused armor in trade BEFORE invite. The extra initiative definitely helped, and the group rocked. Hardly had to heal anybody at all before the hardcore mobs.

I've also heard of people asking what 33/11 is before inviting. The answer is 3. Simple things like these can quickly show you who's friendly and a nice player, and who's the festering prepubescent worm.